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1. My lunch break
2. My nifty new chair (which was just kind of sitting there yesterday and doesn't kind of ... tilt forward alarmingly, like my old one)
3. FINALLY CATCHING UP! on GetBackersis v36 out yet?
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theladyfeylene visiting this weekend and talking FMA with me
Okay, so -- granted, me in the fandom, I was very much with the angrylittle protagonist. This may entirely be because I have an auditory crush on Paku Romi, WHO KNOWS. Also, because I was watching the series as it was being fansubbed, so I went through that huge gap of time where NO ONE was subbing it and downloads were spotty and then other things came along and I was thus distracted. The last fifteen or so episodes, when I try to remember them, sort of come in a blur of WHO-WHAT-HOW-WHY-BOOM.
However, discussing with Fey over the weekend -- she noted that she believes Dante was responsible for both human!Lust's death as well as Trisha's (because really, the most likely candidate for Trisha's death was consumption, given the time period -- but if that were the case, Ed and Al would have probably gotten sick too, and there's no evidence that they were ever removed from the house while she was sick for their own health). Theoretically, the fact that two absolutely unrelated women from two different -- and warring -- countries would die of diseases (?) with highly similiar symptoms, only to turn up later as homunculi, is kind of pecuilar. Furthermore, one might guess that there were other failed experiments with human alchemy; given the intrinsic hubris of the concept of alchemy in the show (I-the-alchemist can change anything into anything I want, so why can't I bring back the dead? sort of thing) -- there HAS to have been more than just seven attempts, and especially with at least two of those attempts performed by a tight-knit circle. Someone had to have found the wreck that was resurrected and feed it the Red Stones until it became Lust.
And I mean, canonically, we know that the Ishbarites knew secrets about the Philosopher's Stone; the symbols of the "heretic" that Scar bears (and that one other guy) are deliberately similiar to the symbols that cover Al when he becomes the Stone, and what cover the rooms of the Fifth Laboratory. So we say Dante, she's out there in the Ishbarian desert, searching for what she needs to make the Stone -- a mass sacrifice of human life, for one.
And well, so. Tensions are high between this country and the one she (supposedly) hails from. People are already angry and tense at each other, because of alchemy.
Wars are a good way to ensure a lot of death. And we know that Dante's been pulling the strings of the Amestrian government from since long before the war; she had to have been in SOME place of power in order to get one of her own into place as the Fuhrer.
So theoretically, could it be that Dante, in the "old" body we first meet her in, was the supposedly-fake "Juliette Douglass," whose name Sloth eventually takes?
I can't remember in the subs, but Fey tells me that in the dub (which I have no reason to believe would edit dialogue to that sort of degree), one of the reasons Schiezka starts suspecting Sloth is because Juliette Douglass, if she hadn't "died," should have been "a woman in her seventies." --which Dante certainly is, the first time we see her.
Has this theory been put out before? I don't know; I don't follow fandom at all. I's very comfortable holed up in my corner of LJ. XD; But it's something that makes a sort of creepy sense, and ties up some of the supposedly loose ends of character backstory.
In conclusion: Dante is a creepy creepy bastard. THE END.
AND OKAY SO GETBACKERS. I, uh. Really think they're going to go with Ban and Ginji being half-brothers, which sort of makes me go "DDDD:" a lot because uh. I am suddenly inadvertently shipping brothercest?
But now that I've gone through and been reading more carefully, that does sort of seem like what they're aiming for; Makubex definitely knows something more than Ginji, but whatever it is, he never gets to say before he does his fade-off thing. BAN knows something, but gets Hevn dropped on him before he can actually finish his line. (Though it sort of led up to it, I mean.
Ban: [My old man] wouldn't be doing this unless the woman who gave birth to me was [in Babylon City].
Ginji: ! Ban-chan, your mother's up there too? :OOO
Ban: Ginji ... you know ...
[HEVN'D!]
There's also discussion about how Ban and Ginji's bond will "save" the Mugenjou? Though almost immediately after that, Ban's father Der Kaizer discusses that essentially he let himself be trapped in the Beltline for the sake of his son's Great And Still Kind Of Vague Destiny?
I kind of liked having Ban's father in the story, too, as more than just a flashback character (like his mother was, and wow, given HOW she finds out about Ban's witch-heritage probably would be severely traumatic for anyone); for whatever reason, I really liked the scene where Der Kaizer scuffs Ban's head and tells him that he's grown up well.
... well, okay, it's really rare to see parents and kids in animanga (or video games) interact of a level -- Ban and Der Kazier both fight hard, they're both highly-powerful as descendants of the Witch Queen, and they just got finished beating the crap out of each other. Usually, what we see is either:
A) Parents vaguely understand that their kids are destined for Something More, and are pretty much window dressing to give vague blessings of "go forth and quest, young protagonist!"
B) Dead (usually traumatically so, incurring an oath from the child for vengence)
C) Evil scheming wickedhobbitses bastards, determined to corrupt or destroy their children
D) Secretly hidden as a fellow fighter BUT ONLY IN DISGUISE SO THE CHILD MAY NEVER KNOW--!
Nah, Ban knew his dad. I mean, he kind of couldn't help it; they look pretty much exactly alike. And I liked that, and I liked that there were flashbacks from the dad's point of view of more idyllic times, rather than the kid's. (P.S. Ban was a chubby cute baby WHAT.)
Also, not a highly dramatic death with DOOM and AGONY and WEEPING as FLOWERS FALL FROM THE SKY. Points for that. (Also, for how Yukihiko made peace with his father and elder siblings.)
--P.S. Akabane? Gets creepier and creepier every time he shows up. "Bloody Avatar," indeed.
... I want tactics v8 to finally arrive at Kinos so I can go buy it. D: Resolution of the lover's quarrel! OTP! Vague implications about Kantarou's dead mother! Raikou being a creepy sick bastard! The last bit of plot before Kinoshita-sensei got sick! T_____T
And lunch break's over. Back to work! ♥
1. My lunch break
2. My nifty new chair (which was just kind of sitting there yesterday and doesn't kind of ... tilt forward alarmingly, like my old one)
3. FINALLY CATCHING UP! on GetBackers
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theladyfeylene visiting this weekend and talking FMA with meOkay, so -- granted, me in the fandom, I was very much with the angry
However, discussing with Fey over the weekend -- she noted that she believes Dante was responsible for both human!Lust's death as well as Trisha's (because really, the most likely candidate for Trisha's death was consumption, given the time period -- but if that were the case, Ed and Al would have probably gotten sick too, and there's no evidence that they were ever removed from the house while she was sick for their own health). Theoretically, the fact that two absolutely unrelated women from two different -- and warring -- countries would die of diseases (?) with highly similiar symptoms, only to turn up later as homunculi, is kind of pecuilar. Furthermore, one might guess that there were other failed experiments with human alchemy; given the intrinsic hubris of the concept of alchemy in the show (I-the-alchemist can change anything into anything I want, so why can't I bring back the dead? sort of thing) -- there HAS to have been more than just seven attempts, and especially with at least two of those attempts performed by a tight-knit circle. Someone had to have found the wreck that was resurrected and feed it the Red Stones until it became Lust.
And I mean, canonically, we know that the Ishbarites knew secrets about the Philosopher's Stone; the symbols of the "heretic" that Scar bears (and that one other guy) are deliberately similiar to the symbols that cover Al when he becomes the Stone, and what cover the rooms of the Fifth Laboratory. So we say Dante, she's out there in the Ishbarian desert, searching for what she needs to make the Stone -- a mass sacrifice of human life, for one.
And well, so. Tensions are high between this country and the one she (supposedly) hails from. People are already angry and tense at each other, because of alchemy.
Wars are a good way to ensure a lot of death. And we know that Dante's been pulling the strings of the Amestrian government from since long before the war; she had to have been in SOME place of power in order to get one of her own into place as the Fuhrer.
So theoretically, could it be that Dante, in the "old" body we first meet her in, was the supposedly-fake "Juliette Douglass," whose name Sloth eventually takes?
I can't remember in the subs, but Fey tells me that in the dub (which I have no reason to believe would edit dialogue to that sort of degree), one of the reasons Schiezka starts suspecting Sloth is because Juliette Douglass, if she hadn't "died," should have been "a woman in her seventies." --which Dante certainly is, the first time we see her.
Has this theory been put out before? I don't know; I don't follow fandom at all. I's very comfortable holed up in my corner of LJ. XD; But it's something that makes a sort of creepy sense, and ties up some of the supposedly loose ends of character backstory.
In conclusion: Dante is a creepy creepy bastard. THE END.
AND OKAY SO GETBACKERS. I, uh. Really think they're going to go with Ban and Ginji being half-brothers, which sort of makes me go "DDDD:" a lot because uh. I am suddenly inadvertently shipping brothercest?
But now that I've gone through and been reading more carefully, that does sort of seem like what they're aiming for; Makubex definitely knows something more than Ginji, but whatever it is, he never gets to say before he does his fade-off thing. BAN knows something, but gets Hevn dropped on him before he can actually finish his line. (Though it sort of led up to it, I mean.
Ban: [My old man] wouldn't be doing this unless the woman who gave birth to me was [in Babylon City].
Ginji: ! Ban-chan, your mother's up there too? :OOO
Ban: Ginji ... you know ...
[HEVN'D!]
There's also discussion about how Ban and Ginji's bond will "save" the Mugenjou? Though almost immediately after that, Ban's father Der Kaizer discusses that essentially he let himself be trapped in the Beltline for the sake of his son's Great And Still Kind Of Vague Destiny?
I kind of liked having Ban's father in the story, too, as more than just a flashback character (like his mother was, and wow, given HOW she finds out about Ban's witch-heritage probably would be severely traumatic for anyone); for whatever reason, I really liked the scene where Der Kaizer scuffs Ban's head and tells him that he's grown up well.
... well, okay, it's really rare to see parents and kids in animanga (or video games) interact of a level -- Ban and Der Kazier both fight hard, they're both highly-powerful as descendants of the Witch Queen, and they just got finished beating the crap out of each other. Usually, what we see is either:
A) Parents vaguely understand that their kids are destined for Something More, and are pretty much window dressing to give vague blessings of "go forth and quest, young protagonist!"
B) Dead (usually traumatically so, incurring an oath from the child for vengence)
C) Evil scheming wicked
D) Secretly hidden as a fellow fighter BUT ONLY IN DISGUISE SO THE CHILD MAY NEVER KNOW--!
Nah, Ban knew his dad. I mean, he kind of couldn't help it; they look pretty much exactly alike. And I liked that, and I liked that there were flashbacks from the dad's point of view of more idyllic times, rather than the kid's. (P.S. Ban was a chubby cute baby WHAT.)
Also, not a highly dramatic death with DOOM and AGONY and WEEPING as FLOWERS FALL FROM THE SKY. Points for that. (Also, for how Yukihiko made peace with his father and elder siblings.)
--P.S. Akabane? Gets creepier and creepier every time he shows up. "Bloody Avatar," indeed.
... I want tactics v8 to finally arrive at Kinos so I can go buy it. D: Resolution of the lover's quarrel! OTP! Vague implications about Kantarou's dead mother! Raikou being a creepy sick bastard! The last bit of plot before Kinoshita-sensei got sick! T_____T
And lunch break's over. Back to work! ♥
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What you need is a paid account and a place where you can host the outside mood set images; otherwise, it's just tedious. XD
But either way, yay for penguins♥
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Dante as Juliette Douglass just suddenly strikes me as being a very creepy theory indeed. Can't even really explain why, just... ugh.
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But even if she wasn't, I still rather think she was Juliette Douglass, because I mean, what she wanted was the Stone; what worth does a thousand other lives have to her, anyway? :x
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..*read the Get Backers thing and squees* ...the world is turning into -cesty. There's Elricest and now we'll have... Bangincest? err.
..;_; nuuuu. nuuuu. nuuuuuuuuu.
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I think if Ban and Ginji turned out to be related, my little head would explode. Messily. XD; OMG BAN DUN DO IT HE'S YOUR BROTHER?! or something like that. XD
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...for that to be shattered :(!
I can't wait for more tactics :(!
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And well, idea that they're possibly brothers doesn't deter me in the least from considering them an OTP. Clearly, this is a sign that I've been watching anime far too long as I am no longer squicked by minor little things like incest. XD;;;
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And THEN there's Ban's comment about how his father would only be fighting them if his mother were up there, which prompts Ginji going GEE BAN-CHAN YOUR MOM'S IN BABYLON CITY TOO? :O and. Yeah. XD
I'd still completely ship them, but I might cry a little while I did. XD
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moralssquicks and if the BanGin turns 'cesty...GO WITH THE FLOW. Especially since A&A-sensei very well will do it just to screw with our heads. (Me, my biggest fear is that one or both of them will not survive the manga's end. Just because Aoki-sensei's sekkrit wish is to be crushed to death by hoardes of insane fangirls...)...OTOH they could be doing the brother-hint teasing just to screw with our heads. Who knows? They could always change their mind the last minute, the way they write...
Concerning your note on parents in animanga (shounen especially) - that's one thing that makes Dragonball stand out - one of the series' main themes is father-son relationships, a variety of them, in which both sires and offspring are main chars, and the parent is changed by having a child as much as the child is affected by their parent. (and if you read Toriyama-sensei's authors notes about when his kids were born, the sudden prevalence of such themes halfway through the series makes sense...)
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... now, see, I never did get into Dragonball much at all. :\ Even with the family-bent (because I know that there's a lot of it in there), it just ... never appealed to me. XD; I don't know if it's because I couldn't get past Toriyama's style or what, but yeaaaah. (It is, on the other hand, why the one doujinshi for D.Gray-man I found that took place in Allen's past when Mana was alive, made me really happy♥)