(If this posts twice, I apologize -- LJ is being dumb. RAWRGH. >____>)
So, yesterday, spent a lot of time poking around the different journal servers out there -- LJ, natch, and then a bit of DeadJournal, a little of GreatestJournal, JournalFen, and so forth. I mean, one of the things I do miss about being home for the summer is that I live out in the suburb-ish area, out away from the busiest parts of the city; it's not quite so easy to just wander out to some small place and people-watch.
I mean hell, in my particular dorm building, if I want to observe people, all I have to do is leave my door open and watch the comings and goings in the lounge, or go downstairs to the cafeteria. In any city enviroment, there's no shortage of people, just from my experiences. [grins]
But you know, in a way, it's the same for journals online, too -- in many ways, you're getting a much more personal view of the people you're looking at. I mean, using myself as an example -- you can look at me and see I'm fidgety, that I constantly play with my hair, and have a tendency to either dawdle or walk too fast. That you can get by noticing me when you're doing people-watching in a crowd; what you don't know is that I always crush eggshells before I throw them away (a habit born from childhood superstition), that I like cherry coke, or that I write. Conversely, you can get those from me, but not the physical characteristics, by reading my various blogs.
It's interesting -- I've always heard that advice of "write what you know," which I think is good to an extent; at the same time, dude. If people only wrote what they knew, what they'd had firsthand experience with, we wouldn't have huge chunks of the sci-fi and fantasy genres, which would be tremendously sad for me, both as a writer and a reader. XD But when it comes to creating characters -- yes, I think it's important to draw traits from real people, even those you don't necessarily know. You see a child in the park with a certain brilliant smile, you take it, and then you try to describe it when you write a character. They say you always put a piece of yourself into characters you write, but I think it's better if you put shades and echoes of others you know.
That gets into tricky territory, though -- what if you're basing a character on someone, and that person reads the story and takes offense? If someone wrote about my tendency to spazz and go tenaciously stupid, and I could recognize myself in that -- well, yeah, I'd be hurt, but at the same time ... well, all right, maybe it's me, but I really find it fascinating to see someone through multiple viewpoints. I think that's still why I write and read a lot of fanfic -- because the whole multiple viewpoint thing interests me. I see Character A as a sick and twisted character; my friend sees him as just a guy who's made some really horrible mistakes, but isn't terrible under it all, even though we're watching the same series and events.
Given that half the time, I think of life as just some gigantic story -- "all the world's a stage," and all -- I think it would be interesting to see someone take traits from me and write them into a character. I know one of my Dragon's Pen friends has mentioned he could easily imagine taking elements of all of our group and writing them as characters in his novels, and me, I think it'd be cool to see. But I can understand why someone wouldn't like that, especially if the portrayal is less than flattering, so ...
I think the key is to take parts of that personality you see, and doctor it. Give the character slightly different motives for acting that way than (your impression of) those the actual person has. Maybe the spazz grew up in a loud household (not mine) and is loud because that's the best way, in their experience, to be heard.
-- and I'm sorta getting off-track. XD; This was originally meant to be more of a journal thing. There are certain trends I've noticed throughout for posting on these journal servers, that have always vaguely confused me. It goes back to the whole "why do people do what they do?" sort of thing, motives and all. I'm horrible, I'm sorry. XD
On journal servers with 'friends,' why bother friending yourself? It's one thing if, like several of my friends, you've got separate fic/art journals and a personal one, but what's the point of friending yourself on a server? I honestly don't get it. o_o
Lyricposts, too. Why do some people feel the need to just post lyrics in lieu of entries? I mean, a journal is, for all intents and purposes that I've always known, to be a forum where the owner can relate thoughts/experiences/creations, in his/her own words. I rarely, if ever, have seen much interest in lyricposts, but they still pop up. Why? Is it just for the gratuitous "here's what I'm listening to!" because the little 'Current Music' entry field most of these journal servers provide isn't enough? I'm honestly curious; I've had times where I fling lyrics at friends or had it done to me vice-versa over AIM, usually along the lines of a character/story songcall. I don't see so much of that in LJ (and DJ, and Jfen, and so forth), just -- "look! lyrics! yay?"
Also, more generally -- how often do people post, or check their flist? Is there anoyne else, who goes back every two-three hours (and sometimes every half-hour, when I'm especially bored XD;;) to refresh and see if anything new's been posted? What prompts people to make entries about anything? Additionally, when are you usually moved to comment? Not necessarily on fics, but anything --is it the "haofdjpaejr;afa STUBBED MY TOE!" post that gets the "omg u poor thing!" reply x 20, the "I'm sick, blarrrrgh!" entry gets a few well-wishers, and so on. What drives you to post, and to comment? Personal interest? Boredom? Because you need to get in touch with the person and know thatlike me they are sad and easily bored and will likely check e-mail before an flist it's easier to get in touch with them via LJ/e-mailed comments?
I'm just nosily curious, and wondering. XD Anyone?
So, yesterday, spent a lot of time poking around the different journal servers out there -- LJ, natch, and then a bit of DeadJournal, a little of GreatestJournal, JournalFen, and so forth. I mean, one of the things I do miss about being home for the summer is that I live out in the suburb-ish area, out away from the busiest parts of the city; it's not quite so easy to just wander out to some small place and people-watch.
I mean hell, in my particular dorm building, if I want to observe people, all I have to do is leave my door open and watch the comings and goings in the lounge, or go downstairs to the cafeteria. In any city enviroment, there's no shortage of people, just from my experiences. [grins]
But you know, in a way, it's the same for journals online, too -- in many ways, you're getting a much more personal view of the people you're looking at. I mean, using myself as an example -- you can look at me and see I'm fidgety, that I constantly play with my hair, and have a tendency to either dawdle or walk too fast. That you can get by noticing me when you're doing people-watching in a crowd; what you don't know is that I always crush eggshells before I throw them away (a habit born from childhood superstition), that I like cherry coke, or that I write. Conversely, you can get those from me, but not the physical characteristics, by reading my various blogs.
It's interesting -- I've always heard that advice of "write what you know," which I think is good to an extent; at the same time, dude. If people only wrote what they knew, what they'd had firsthand experience with, we wouldn't have huge chunks of the sci-fi and fantasy genres, which would be tremendously sad for me, both as a writer and a reader. XD But when it comes to creating characters -- yes, I think it's important to draw traits from real people, even those you don't necessarily know. You see a child in the park with a certain brilliant smile, you take it, and then you try to describe it when you write a character. They say you always put a piece of yourself into characters you write, but I think it's better if you put shades and echoes of others you know.
That gets into tricky territory, though -- what if you're basing a character on someone, and that person reads the story and takes offense? If someone wrote about my tendency to spazz and go tenaciously stupid, and I could recognize myself in that -- well, yeah, I'd be hurt, but at the same time ... well, all right, maybe it's me, but I really find it fascinating to see someone through multiple viewpoints. I think that's still why I write and read a lot of fanfic -- because the whole multiple viewpoint thing interests me. I see Character A as a sick and twisted character; my friend sees him as just a guy who's made some really horrible mistakes, but isn't terrible under it all, even though we're watching the same series and events.
Given that half the time, I think of life as just some gigantic story -- "all the world's a stage," and all -- I think it would be interesting to see someone take traits from me and write them into a character. I know one of my Dragon's Pen friends has mentioned he could easily imagine taking elements of all of our group and writing them as characters in his novels, and me, I think it'd be cool to see. But I can understand why someone wouldn't like that, especially if the portrayal is less than flattering, so ...
I think the key is to take parts of that personality you see, and doctor it. Give the character slightly different motives for acting that way than (your impression of) those the actual person has. Maybe the spazz grew up in a loud household (not mine) and is loud because that's the best way, in their experience, to be heard.
-- and I'm sorta getting off-track. XD; This was originally meant to be more of a journal thing. There are certain trends I've noticed throughout for posting on these journal servers, that have always vaguely confused me. It goes back to the whole "why do people do what they do?" sort of thing, motives and all. I'm horrible, I'm sorry. XD
On journal servers with 'friends,' why bother friending yourself? It's one thing if, like several of my friends, you've got separate fic/art journals and a personal one, but what's the point of friending yourself on a server? I honestly don't get it. o_o
Lyricposts, too. Why do some people feel the need to just post lyrics in lieu of entries? I mean, a journal is, for all intents and purposes that I've always known, to be a forum where the owner can relate thoughts/experiences/creations, in his/her own words. I rarely, if ever, have seen much interest in lyricposts, but they still pop up. Why? Is it just for the gratuitous "here's what I'm listening to!" because the little 'Current Music' entry field most of these journal servers provide isn't enough? I'm honestly curious; I've had times where I fling lyrics at friends or had it done to me vice-versa over AIM, usually along the lines of a character/story songcall. I don't see so much of that in LJ (and DJ, and Jfen, and so forth), just -- "look! lyrics! yay?"
Also, more generally -- how often do people post, or check their flist? Is there anoyne else, who goes back every two-three hours (and sometimes every half-hour, when I'm especially bored XD;;) to refresh and see if anything new's been posted? What prompts people to make entries about anything? Additionally, when are you usually moved to comment? Not necessarily on fics, but anything --is it the "haofdjpaejr;afa STUBBED MY TOE!" post that gets the "omg u poor thing!" reply x 20, the "I'm sick, blarrrrgh!" entry gets a few well-wishers, and so on. What drives you to post, and to comment? Personal interest? Boredom? Because you need to get in touch with the person and know that
I'm just nosily curious, and wondering. XD Anyone?
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As for why I post, hmm. My lj is pretty much all fanning all the time, on the assumption on the things that make me squee probably will do the same to other fans. Which isn't to say I don't have a life outside of One Piece (perhaps not a very interesting life, but I do have one), but I tend to use the net for escapism.
It also might be because I keep a daily written journal, have for almost a decade now, so the whining and worries of my "real life" get dumped on those private pages. Can't say for certain, but a lot of people on my flist are writers like myself, and I imagine they, like me, find the act of writing down those stresses therapeutic. And since they're in the habit of keeping a blog, that's where it gets written.
And why I'm commenting to this now, with a whole essay no less - uh, I'm at work. And thus bored. And I've been thinking lately myself about the whys of blogging, so some o' that pondering just got dumped here...
oh, and hi ^_^ yah, I've been quiet but I'm still here, damn pirates don't have all my fangirl soul...I've squirreled a few pieces away to enjoy your Naruto fic and such ^^
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*snrks* That's the thing, too -- I check my flist when I wake up in the morning, along with my e-mail, then go about my day till it's about lunchtime (and during the school year, since I ate in in the room for the anime club, I could still have access to a computer XD), I'd check again -- and then again when I got back from classes, or after I've puttered around doing other stuff for a while. I'm easily bored, I need stimulus. Or something. XD
Ah, see -- the relation thing would make sense, yeah. [grins] I just never particularly understood it, because it looks like you're bulking up your flist in a way, and I have a hard enough time keeping up with other people, let alone myself. XD;;; But it does make sense, which is cool. :D
[wry] I've been TRYING to keep my LJ more for fandom-related things, as opposed to personal posts, which originally were in my domain-blog (which I've not updated in too long, er), and now are just sort of ... free-floating, in my head, until I go and write something else. XD (I find I actually am not terribly fond of writing things out, mainly because I think faster than I write, and my hand tends to badly cramp if I go too long with the handwriting thing. >_> At least with an online text medium, I can mostly keep up. XD;) Because yeah, I've been there in the whole "gotta get it out somehow mode, and I found writing has always, indeed, worked best for me.
But hey. XD I'm glad to get some input, because it really is a peculiarly interesting thing, when you consider it. [grins]
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At like...1-3am when I'm bored out of my mind (why am I not sleeping?) I often journal hop. My LJ page--check for comments. Friends' page--check for updates, leave comments, check for replies to comments left. Hop to GJ--repeat process. When I'm really bored I troll the "most recent posters" list on the GJ home page, or go to the sue communities and gag myself to death X3.
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(Though, I already know what you think of me. XD Squiggly indeed, hmph!)
Suecomms tend to destroy my brain -- mostly because I feel I have this severe, previously-unrecognized allergy to writers who lavish too much love and attention on themselves, and get pissy at critique. XD; Not saying that's always the case, but I avoid them unless I'm feeling particularly masochistic. XD
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But I'd write them about other people, if they did it for me. I was also sad the FF-thing pittered out. That was fun! :)
You're SO the squiggly one.
No no, you misunderstand. It is a sue-mocking community. People post exerpts from REALLY horrible sue-fics. I go there when I'm depressed. "I thought I was miserable before...now I'm REALLY in pain.."
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I've only had one instance where I friended myself, and that was for a journal-based RPG. Since I saw all the other pertinent RPing threads on my character journal's flist, I just friended myself so that I would see those entries too without having to go back to my own entries to figure out what went where in the timeline.
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It's just a curious thing, given there's been a brief spate of "why/how to get people to comment" posts, and the ridiculousness of pimpage and whining, so I'm honestly curious, now, what drives people to comment, and to NOT comment. XD;
And yeaaaaah -- I just joined my first LJ RPG myself, and I think it would make a lot more sense to be friended to yourself then, especially if said RPG is really busy. XD; Woooooo~
Thanks for your input. ♥
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And journal RPGs.... I've already got one of my own running, those suckers are addicting. XD I'm using GJ for it, though, if only for the absolutely ridiculous amount of free icons allowed (which every single player abuses like no other). It lets you do all sorts of moods to fit the post. *laughs*
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Ahhh, I see. [grins] I've been in that position myself, but I finally hit the point where I said, yanno, self, if I'm going to be a whiny bitch and sad about no comments, then the least I can do is start actually commenting more often on other's stuff, ergo, I try. XD; In all honesty, I'm semi-miffed by the idea of the writer who wants comments and doesn't put any effort out herself, so here I am, making the effort. XD; ... and damnit, I don't want to sound preachy or anything, so please take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. XD; I've been debating and going over this with friends for the past few nights, so my wording of my opinions is still more in the solidifying process than anything else. XD
And oh, god, let's not talk about that piece of smut. >_____> Smut is not good, it is very bad, and WhiteCat is seriously considering filtering her smut forever more. [flails]
*snrks* Yeaaaah, one of my good friends at school is always in at least two or three Harry Potter journal RPGs at a time, and if you let her, she'll talk about them constantly (it's amusing, though, and it's still character-babble, which I find fascinating, as I've said XD). I'm more worried about breaking some RPG law that I've never heard about at this point, but we'll have to see how it goes, ack. XD;;; I could die a messy death, and man, that'd be no fun at all. XD
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And seriously, I'm getting up there with comments. XD I can't say I'm doing it 'cause it's only fair of me, especially if I expect others to comment on mine mostly 'cause my fic journal is on GJ and I rarely post fic on my own LJ.
*mentally counts how many various RPs she's in with people, as well as RPGs* Hmm... At least 8.... All of them are original creations of my mind that other people were drawn into, 'cept for the one HP Marauder one.
Boy are my muses prolific... *eyes the number*
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Oh, no, no, I'm not necessarily saying I comment because it's "fair" -- I'm saying that it used to be that I would read something I really liked, get embarrassed and say "meh, she probably doesn't want to hear from me" and say nothing. And then somewhere along the way, I realized, dude, I've had people do that to me, and it sucks, so I'm trying to rectify that, because I know it's not always necessary, but it is nice to hear from people. [grins]
Well, the fact you've got original RPGs you're running is pretty damn spiffy. :D I'm impressed -- I couldn't make playable characters, I think, unless I deliberately tried to Mary Sue myself, and that would just not be pretty. XD
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And that speaking up bit makes me think of a wedding. Which somehow brings up the idea of Roy in a tux. Which makes one wonder just why the hell he's in a tux. Which brings up the question of whether or not I want to know who he's marrying in my head. --;;
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But, we have seen Roy in a tux -- it's one of the DVD covers. XD (I think it's with Hughes and Armstrong; I remember Hughes wearing the white tux and me commenting on the whole symbolism of the color white in Asian cultures, but. XD)
And you know, just 'cos he's in a tux at a wedding doesn't mean HE's getting married. XD He could be the best man, or giving someone away -- he's just too much of an eternal bachelor in my head to be the marryin sort, I think. XD
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... Yes, that makes more sense. I can see Roy getting just a little annoyed. XD
And you want me to try transferring characters anyways? XD There's no hurt in trying... *innocent*
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...if that makes sense and if not I can shut up. 8D;
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I think, on some level, I'm disatisfied with everything I write, because I want to get better -- on the other hand, I do have stuff that I'm proud of, so it all balances out (eventually, or so I like to think).
But given that it was the first piece of smut I ever wrote and the whole process still makes me leery, I don't think I'm ever going to completely come to terms with "Knowledge." XD;;;;; It's such a strange and peculiar beast to me, and I think it always will be. XD;
[squishes] Loff j00.
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which, I suppose, is not my role. But just. It's. Frustrating, in a way. XD; Because I love you and I love your fics and dammit, I love Knowledge, and I feel like I'm not ALLOWED to, but I do.
(Comic moment in otherwise INTENSELY HONESTLY TEARY MOMENT: "Our love is forbidden and pure!")
But, um, it's clearly bothering you, so I'll try to be at least quiet... even if it's really hard to keep my mouth shut when I see you saying that people shouldn't even talk about a fic of yours which is, like, one of my favourite fics ever? XD;; Yeah. Will shut up now. Love you, sorry for putting you on the spot. >_>;;
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The people I know who friend themselves do it so they can check comments and stuff relative to the time they posted and things like that. XD It just puts it all on one page instead of having to click the 'recent' link. I don't do it myself, but I can sorta get that. XD
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Re: friending yourself -- yeah, that seems to be the general consensus among folks. And I can understand it, though I suspect, given how I have a hard time sometimes, finding the END of the new posts after a night/weekend away, it's probably better I don't friend myself, even with how little I post. XD I am lazy and easily distracted, you know that -- and ficposts, at least, I have copies of the fic in wordfiles, so I don't need more. XD
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People post lyrics as a hint to how they're feeling without saying it outright, I suppose. I don't buy into it myself but I can see why they do it.
As to writing...usually the further I get away from myself the better the original stories are. If I try to incorporate myself or someone else I know into the story it usually ends up bad or pointless. My fanfics, for some reason, are always the best when I can tie the character into something that's happened to me. This makes absolutely no sense to me or anyone else. ^^;;;; But usually ideas for stories come to me with something that's happened to me - ex, one day I almost lost my keys. I thought about what would happen if a worker at the arcade I was at found my keys and started fitting them to random cars, seeing what kind of car the person had and what that told about them, and eventually meeting the person that owned the car. Story idea, bam! (And one I still haven't written, at that. ^^;;) Once I attune myself to plot, then usually the character comes naturally to the plot....somehow. ^_~
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Hrrrrm. I still don't quite get lyricposts, I think. I've never done it myself, but I suspect that if I were, I'd do some kind of "songfic" formatted entry, where I'd have lyrics, write something, lyrics, write something. And it would probably be hideously disjointed and stream-of-consciousness, because I don't make sense to myself when I'm especially tired/unhappy. XD;;;
See, the thing with original characters for me is that I have to believe in them as real people; I've got to be able to say yes, this could be a real personality, even if the character is some kind of demon, or alien, or some otherwise not-quite-human character. The easiest way for me to do that is to lift traits/quirks from myself and my friends -- I have an original character with a particular speech tic that I used to use a lot during middle school, and I know my friend Sharky has at least two characters quasi-based on me, in the sense that they're cheerful, loud, and spazzy -- that's not really all of me, but she can still take some cues in how I react to figure out how the character might react, and then let them develop.
And, see, I work in a different method than you do -- when it comes to original fiction, I tend to imagine the characters first; I doodle someone idly in classnotes that I like the look of, and expand upon him/her, start sketching out people who're related to this character somehow, and then, eventually, an idea coalsces out of what I'm doing. The novel I'm working on right now started with me going back over the old folkstories about foxes I read as a kid, vague dissatisfaction with the youko/kitsune craze some anime fans have, and this one sketch I have of a lady with really bizarre tattoos on her back. XD So really, I develop the characters and let the plot come to me, which may explain why I do the trait-lifting thing more easily. ^^
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So anything we write about the game gets tagged "custom security - members of the GamePlotting group" and then I can go into my friends view and look at just that set of things from the friends list and all our exchanges are there... and I couldn't do it without having myself on my friends list, in order to be able to put myself into the custom groups I sort by... if you see what I mean...?
So anyway, that's why some people friend themselves anyway -- if someone don't use the custom groupings then I don't know what they'd do with it, but for those of us who do make custom groups, it's practically required to friend yourself if you hold conversations where both of you have started threads at different times...
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And if you're actually GMing a game, that makes even more sense, since you have to keep track of the characters, the OOC stuff, as well as the private GM plots; that makes sense. :D Thanks for the input~
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As for lyrics... I posted a couple now and then too. Hm. Mostly, it was because I'm so obsessed with the song, I want to post it for prosperity, or so my flist can see what I'm obsessing over (it's one thing to note the song title; my eyes usually don't look at the track name on the entry; it's another to see what its contents are unless you have personally heard the song yourself). Also, it might be a roadside crack flag. Meaning, this song (or stanza) is influencing something creative from me, be prepared? XD;;; Then again, maybe I just think there is something beautiful in the lyrics or prose and I want to share that beauty with my flist-- see what I see.
...dude, I check my flist at least... well. 5-15 times per day when I'm the computer, I think. XD; Boredom and craving for interaction is a terrible thing?
I post... like, when I've got something to offer, like a fic or picture. Or I post when I have an SQUEEING!FANGIRL moment or a very emotional moment (like my NOOOOO scream yesterday XD;). I mostly post when I want to write down something of my life, have time, or want to waste some stress, I think? Also when I ponder or analyze something. I also give a heads-up to people on my flist occasionally to contact them when I'm not online.
My comment doesn't follow much of a pattern though... Hm. I comment most when someone has a problem or question that I can answer and I feel like it will help. I comment when there's something creative done that I really like (although I confess sometimes I don't because it's so perfect, there's nothing to say! D: ...or laziness, but yes. ::cough::) I do some mindless comment or hit-and-run meaningless comments to let friends know that I'm listening and I care. Also to convey information and thoughts I guess. :O
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At the same time, for discussion posts like this, where I'm hoping for commentary/discussion and want to respond back, I'll keep my e-mail program open and respond as they come, while going off and doing my own thing. The downside is the rest of the time, I tend to forget forget to check my e-mail and thus miss personal messages from people. XD;
See, I honestly don't get too much of the whole lyricpost thing -- when I have song calls (the rare times I do), I usually just send friends the link to some public lyrics site with the words, and then send them the song. If I were to do music pimpage on LJ, I'd find it easier to upload the song somewhere, give people a stanza, perhaps, and then tell them to download it, though I admit that since I've got my own domain space, it's easier for me than others. >_> If a song influences fic from me, I do what I've done before -- "here, you can blame [insert link here] THIS SONG [/end link] for the mood of this piece." XD; The problem is, lots of times, finding beauty/poetry in lyrics is such a subjective thing -- I know a lot of people who find Evanescence beautifully-phrased, but while they're pretty, I don't see particular power in them unless they come with the woman's voice (and given how often they're overplayed, I'm getting kind of sick of them XD;;;). So, it's such a subjective thing, I suppose, which is mainly why I don't get it. XD;
And since I've already made a big long stupid post about why/what I don't post, I'll just say that I have mostly similar reasons -- just posting about my life, though, or stressing, I tend to not post publically, s'all. ^_^
I have to admit, more often than not, if I like a fic/art and that friend is online, I'll tell them so directly -- but hey, I know it's sometimes nice to get an echoed comment in LJ for prosperity, so I at least try to keep up with both. XD; Mostly, though, it's me just commenting where I see fit, and then just being tremendously lazy in spurts. XD
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I don't get that one, either. I have no idea why people do it.
Lyricposts, too.
Lyricposts annoy me. I could see maybe posting a line or two of a song if it really fits your mood or whatever, but I don't get posting the entire bloody song. I never read posts like that and nine times out of ten it's a song or band I don't like or have never heard of anyway. :-/
As for checking my flist, that depends on how much time I have to be online and how bored I am. XD Like right now I'm just skimming my flist because I need to take a shower and then go pick up my cake! *hurries off now!*
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Even when they do that, I tend to get annoyed and scroll past. In one's own journal, it seems to me, one should write in one's own words how one feels, rather than borrowing someone else's words to do so. But, eh, some people DO prefer to work that way, and bully for them.
Ahaha, speaking of cake, today, I try to make a cheesecake. Wish me luck, because it's half an hour yet before anyone comes home and sees whatever disaster I make of the kitchen. XD XD XD
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The reason why I friend myself is because it's very easy fo me to see if I get more comments in any post I make by just refreshing the friends page. it's a laziness thing (what, you expected another reason from me? >D)
And if I'm sitting at my computer, i check my friends page like, three times every few seconds. Just reload reload reload. >DDDDDD because, like Haru said, I have no life >D
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But I love you anyway, so I suppose I'll forgive you. XD
[squish ♥]