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(If this posts twice, I apologize -- LJ is being dumb. RAWRGH. >____>)
So, yesterday, spent a lot of time poking around the different journal servers out there -- LJ, natch, and then a bit of DeadJournal, a little of GreatestJournal, JournalFen, and so forth. I mean, one of the things I do miss about being home for the summer is that I live out in the suburb-ish area, out away from the busiest parts of the city; it's not quite so easy to just wander out to some small place and people-watch.
I mean hell, in my particular dorm building, if I want to observe people, all I have to do is leave my door open and watch the comings and goings in the lounge, or go downstairs to the cafeteria. In any city enviroment, there's no shortage of people, just from my experiences. [grins]
But you know, in a way, it's the same for journals online, too -- in many ways, you're getting a much more personal view of the people you're looking at. I mean, using myself as an example -- you can look at me and see I'm fidgety, that I constantly play with my hair, and have a tendency to either dawdle or walk too fast. That you can get by noticing me when you're doing people-watching in a crowd; what you don't know is that I always crush eggshells before I throw them away (a habit born from childhood superstition), that I like cherry coke, or that I write. Conversely, you can get those from me, but not the physical characteristics, by reading my various blogs.
It's interesting -- I've always heard that advice of "write what you know," which I think is good to an extent; at the same time, dude. If people only wrote what they knew, what they'd had firsthand experience with, we wouldn't have huge chunks of the sci-fi and fantasy genres, which would be tremendously sad for me, both as a writer and a reader. XD But when it comes to creating characters -- yes, I think it's important to draw traits from real people, even those you don't necessarily know. You see a child in the park with a certain brilliant smile, you take it, and then you try to describe it when you write a character. They say you always put a piece of yourself into characters you write, but I think it's better if you put shades and echoes of others you know.
That gets into tricky territory, though -- what if you're basing a character on someone, and that person reads the story and takes offense? If someone wrote about my tendency to spazz and go tenaciously stupid, and I could recognize myself in that -- well, yeah, I'd be hurt, but at the same time ... well, all right, maybe it's me, but I really find it fascinating to see someone through multiple viewpoints. I think that's still why I write and read a lot of fanfic -- because the whole multiple viewpoint thing interests me. I see Character A as a sick and twisted character; my friend sees him as just a guy who's made some really horrible mistakes, but isn't terrible under it all, even though we're watching the same series and events.
Given that half the time, I think of life as just some gigantic story -- "all the world's a stage," and all -- I think it would be interesting to see someone take traits from me and write them into a character. I know one of my Dragon's Pen friends has mentioned he could easily imagine taking elements of all of our group and writing them as characters in his novels, and me, I think it'd be cool to see. But I can understand why someone wouldn't like that, especially if the portrayal is less than flattering, so ...
I think the key is to take parts of that personality you see, and doctor it. Give the character slightly different motives for acting that way than (your impression of) those the actual person has. Maybe the spazz grew up in a loud household (not mine) and is loud because that's the best way, in their experience, to be heard.
-- and I'm sorta getting off-track. XD; This was originally meant to be more of a journal thing. There are certain trends I've noticed throughout for posting on these journal servers, that have always vaguely confused me. It goes back to the whole "why do people do what they do?" sort of thing, motives and all. I'm horrible, I'm sorry. XD
On journal servers with 'friends,' why bother friending yourself? It's one thing if, like several of my friends, you've got separate fic/art journals and a personal one, but what's the point of friending yourself on a server? I honestly don't get it. o_o
Lyricposts, too. Why do some people feel the need to just post lyrics in lieu of entries? I mean, a journal is, for all intents and purposes that I've always known, to be a forum where the owner can relate thoughts/experiences/creations, in his/her own words. I rarely, if ever, have seen much interest in lyricposts, but they still pop up. Why? Is it just for the gratuitous "here's what I'm listening to!" because the little 'Current Music' entry field most of these journal servers provide isn't enough? I'm honestly curious; I've had times where I fling lyrics at friends or had it done to me vice-versa over AIM, usually along the lines of a character/story songcall. I don't see so much of that in LJ (and DJ, and Jfen, and so forth), just -- "look! lyrics! yay?"
Also, more generally -- how often do people post, or check their flist? Is there anoyne else, who goes back every two-three hours (and sometimes every half-hour, when I'm especially bored XD;;) to refresh and see if anything new's been posted? What prompts people to make entries about anything? Additionally, when are you usually moved to comment? Not necessarily on fics, but anything --is it the "haofdjpaejr;afa STUBBED MY TOE!" post that gets the "omg u poor thing!" reply x 20, the "I'm sick, blarrrrgh!" entry gets a few well-wishers, and so on. What drives you to post, and to comment? Personal interest? Boredom? Because you need to get in touch with the person and know thatlike me they are sad and easily bored and will likely check e-mail before an flist it's easier to get in touch with them via LJ/e-mailed comments?
I'm just nosily curious, and wondering. XD Anyone?
So, yesterday, spent a lot of time poking around the different journal servers out there -- LJ, natch, and then a bit of DeadJournal, a little of GreatestJournal, JournalFen, and so forth. I mean, one of the things I do miss about being home for the summer is that I live out in the suburb-ish area, out away from the busiest parts of the city; it's not quite so easy to just wander out to some small place and people-watch.
I mean hell, in my particular dorm building, if I want to observe people, all I have to do is leave my door open and watch the comings and goings in the lounge, or go downstairs to the cafeteria. In any city enviroment, there's no shortage of people, just from my experiences. [grins]
But you know, in a way, it's the same for journals online, too -- in many ways, you're getting a much more personal view of the people you're looking at. I mean, using myself as an example -- you can look at me and see I'm fidgety, that I constantly play with my hair, and have a tendency to either dawdle or walk too fast. That you can get by noticing me when you're doing people-watching in a crowd; what you don't know is that I always crush eggshells before I throw them away (a habit born from childhood superstition), that I like cherry coke, or that I write. Conversely, you can get those from me, but not the physical characteristics, by reading my various blogs.
It's interesting -- I've always heard that advice of "write what you know," which I think is good to an extent; at the same time, dude. If people only wrote what they knew, what they'd had firsthand experience with, we wouldn't have huge chunks of the sci-fi and fantasy genres, which would be tremendously sad for me, both as a writer and a reader. XD But when it comes to creating characters -- yes, I think it's important to draw traits from real people, even those you don't necessarily know. You see a child in the park with a certain brilliant smile, you take it, and then you try to describe it when you write a character. They say you always put a piece of yourself into characters you write, but I think it's better if you put shades and echoes of others you know.
That gets into tricky territory, though -- what if you're basing a character on someone, and that person reads the story and takes offense? If someone wrote about my tendency to spazz and go tenaciously stupid, and I could recognize myself in that -- well, yeah, I'd be hurt, but at the same time ... well, all right, maybe it's me, but I really find it fascinating to see someone through multiple viewpoints. I think that's still why I write and read a lot of fanfic -- because the whole multiple viewpoint thing interests me. I see Character A as a sick and twisted character; my friend sees him as just a guy who's made some really horrible mistakes, but isn't terrible under it all, even though we're watching the same series and events.
Given that half the time, I think of life as just some gigantic story -- "all the world's a stage," and all -- I think it would be interesting to see someone take traits from me and write them into a character. I know one of my Dragon's Pen friends has mentioned he could easily imagine taking elements of all of our group and writing them as characters in his novels, and me, I think it'd be cool to see. But I can understand why someone wouldn't like that, especially if the portrayal is less than flattering, so ...
I think the key is to take parts of that personality you see, and doctor it. Give the character slightly different motives for acting that way than (your impression of) those the actual person has. Maybe the spazz grew up in a loud household (not mine) and is loud because that's the best way, in their experience, to be heard.
-- and I'm sorta getting off-track. XD; This was originally meant to be more of a journal thing. There are certain trends I've noticed throughout for posting on these journal servers, that have always vaguely confused me. It goes back to the whole "why do people do what they do?" sort of thing, motives and all. I'm horrible, I'm sorry. XD
On journal servers with 'friends,' why bother friending yourself? It's one thing if, like several of my friends, you've got separate fic/art journals and a personal one, but what's the point of friending yourself on a server? I honestly don't get it. o_o
Lyricposts, too. Why do some people feel the need to just post lyrics in lieu of entries? I mean, a journal is, for all intents and purposes that I've always known, to be a forum where the owner can relate thoughts/experiences/creations, in his/her own words. I rarely, if ever, have seen much interest in lyricposts, but they still pop up. Why? Is it just for the gratuitous "here's what I'm listening to!" because the little 'Current Music' entry field most of these journal servers provide isn't enough? I'm honestly curious; I've had times where I fling lyrics at friends or had it done to me vice-versa over AIM, usually along the lines of a character/story songcall. I don't see so much of that in LJ (and DJ, and Jfen, and so forth), just -- "look! lyrics! yay?"
Also, more generally -- how often do people post, or check their flist? Is there anoyne else, who goes back every two-three hours (and sometimes every half-hour, when I'm especially bored XD;;) to refresh and see if anything new's been posted? What prompts people to make entries about anything? Additionally, when are you usually moved to comment? Not necessarily on fics, but anything --is it the "haofdjpaejr;afa STUBBED MY TOE!" post that gets the "omg u poor thing!" reply x 20, the "I'm sick, blarrrrgh!" entry gets a few well-wishers, and so on. What drives you to post, and to comment? Personal interest? Boredom? Because you need to get in touch with the person and know that
I'm just nosily curious, and wondering. XD Anyone?
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I've only had one instance where I friended myself, and that was for a journal-based RPG. Since I saw all the other pertinent RPing threads on my character journal's flist, I just friended myself so that I would see those entries too without having to go back to my own entries to figure out what went where in the timeline.
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It's just a curious thing, given there's been a brief spate of "why/how to get people to comment" posts, and the ridiculousness of pimpage and whining, so I'm honestly curious, now, what drives people to comment, and to NOT comment. XD;
And yeaaaaah -- I just joined my first LJ RPG myself, and I think it would make a lot more sense to be friended to yourself then, especially if said RPG is really busy. XD; Woooooo~
Thanks for your input. ♥
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And journal RPGs.... I've already got one of my own running, those suckers are addicting. XD I'm using GJ for it, though, if only for the absolutely ridiculous amount of free icons allowed (which every single player abuses like no other). It lets you do all sorts of moods to fit the post. *laughs*
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Ahhh, I see. [grins] I've been in that position myself, but I finally hit the point where I said, yanno, self, if I'm going to be a whiny bitch and sad about no comments, then the least I can do is start actually commenting more often on other's stuff, ergo, I try. XD; In all honesty, I'm semi-miffed by the idea of the writer who wants comments and doesn't put any effort out herself, so here I am, making the effort. XD; ... and damnit, I don't want to sound preachy or anything, so please take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. XD; I've been debating and going over this with friends for the past few nights, so my wording of my opinions is still more in the solidifying process than anything else. XD
And oh, god, let's not talk about that piece of smut. >_____> Smut is not good, it is very bad, and WhiteCat is seriously considering filtering her smut forever more. [flails]
*snrks* Yeaaaah, one of my good friends at school is always in at least two or three Harry Potter journal RPGs at a time, and if you let her, she'll talk about them constantly (it's amusing, though, and it's still character-babble, which I find fascinating, as I've said XD). I'm more worried about breaking some RPG law that I've never heard about at this point, but we'll have to see how it goes, ack. XD;;; I could die a messy death, and man, that'd be no fun at all. XD
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And seriously, I'm getting up there with comments. XD I can't say I'm doing it 'cause it's only fair of me, especially if I expect others to comment on mine mostly 'cause my fic journal is on GJ and I rarely post fic on my own LJ.
*mentally counts how many various RPs she's in with people, as well as RPGs* Hmm... At least 8.... All of them are original creations of my mind that other people were drawn into, 'cept for the one HP Marauder one.
Boy are my muses prolific... *eyes the number*
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Oh, no, no, I'm not necessarily saying I comment because it's "fair" -- I'm saying that it used to be that I would read something I really liked, get embarrassed and say "meh, she probably doesn't want to hear from me" and say nothing. And then somewhere along the way, I realized, dude, I've had people do that to me, and it sucks, so I'm trying to rectify that, because I know it's not always necessary, but it is nice to hear from people. [grins]
Well, the fact you've got original RPGs you're running is pretty damn spiffy. :D I'm impressed -- I couldn't make playable characters, I think, unless I deliberately tried to Mary Sue myself, and that would just not be pretty. XD
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And that speaking up bit makes me think of a wedding. Which somehow brings up the idea of Roy in a tux. Which makes one wonder just why the hell he's in a tux. Which brings up the question of whether or not I want to know who he's marrying in my head. --;;
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But, we have seen Roy in a tux -- it's one of the DVD covers. XD (I think it's with Hughes and Armstrong; I remember Hughes wearing the white tux and me commenting on the whole symbolism of the color white in Asian cultures, but. XD)
And you know, just 'cos he's in a tux at a wedding doesn't mean HE's getting married. XD He could be the best man, or giving someone away -- he's just too much of an eternal bachelor in my head to be the marryin sort, I think. XD
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... Yes, that makes more sense. I can see Roy getting just a little annoyed. XD
And you want me to try transferring characters anyways? XD There's no hurt in trying... *innocent*
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...if that makes sense and if not I can shut up. 8D;
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I think, on some level, I'm disatisfied with everything I write, because I want to get better -- on the other hand, I do have stuff that I'm proud of, so it all balances out (eventually, or so I like to think).
But given that it was the first piece of smut I ever wrote and the whole process still makes me leery, I don't think I'm ever going to completely come to terms with "Knowledge." XD;;;;; It's such a strange and peculiar beast to me, and I think it always will be. XD;
[squishes] Loff j00.
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which, I suppose, is not my role. But just. It's. Frustrating, in a way. XD; Because I love you and I love your fics and dammit, I love Knowledge, and I feel like I'm not ALLOWED to, but I do.
(Comic moment in otherwise INTENSELY HONESTLY TEARY MOMENT: "Our love is forbidden and pure!")
But, um, it's clearly bothering you, so I'll try to be at least quiet... even if it's really hard to keep my mouth shut when I see you saying that people shouldn't even talk about a fic of yours which is, like, one of my favourite fics ever? XD;; Yeah. Will shut up now. Love you, sorry for putting you on the spot. >_>;;